Former Muslim Dan Burros was just 13 years old in Jordan when the planes struck the World Trade Center on 9/11. He remembers watching the attacks unfold on television and feeling something that may shock Americans today: joy and a sense of triumph.

Now a Christian living in the United States, Burros looks back at the beliefs that shaped him and explains why he believes the West misunderstood the threat exposed on September 11. He connects that failure to the aftermath of October 7, arguing that jihad has increasingly been reframed in Western discourse through the language of “resistance,” “liberation,” and anti-imperialism.

In this powerful conversation, Burros offers the perspective of someone who once defended the beliefs he now warns against, and explains why he believes the lessons of 9/11 remain urgently relevant today.